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In everything in life there are three ways of looking at it – either you see it in a black-and-white, good and evil manner – so for example the radicals who hate capital- they see money as evil… – now the fact of the matter is that everybody needs money… so what they end up doing, as we saw in communism… as we see now with the radically liberal states… that have gone bankrupt… is they end up quite simply stealing, until there’s nothing left